Having worked at County, State, and Federal levels, David Mansdoerfer knows what it is like to work for change in bureaucratic arenas. From 2017 to 2019 he even worked in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), during president Trump's first term. In this interview I ask him the following kinds of questions: did pastors help get out the 2024 vote?, how did the COVID governmental overreach impact voters during the recent presidential election?, why is Washington DC notorious for bureaucratic bloat?, across your years of political activism what kinds of arguments against such engagement do you commonly hear?, do you value people who disagree talking together?, what kind of challenges will RJK Jr face inside of HHS?, will Trump govern differently for having been out of DC for 4 years?, and how can RFK Jr and Trump effect change inside of the DC quagmire? David speaks from years of experience, and from out of his Christian worldview.